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Bigotry in any form is offensive, but do you harbor added disdain to racism over sexism or vice versa?
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October 31, 2009 03:42 AM
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If disdain you mean do I think that one is stupider than the other, then yeah, actually I do have a special disdain for those who are more racist than sexist.
The reason is from what I know about brain structure as a function of sex in humans combined with what I know about the operation of how polymorphic genes work to create breeds in animals (what humans call "race" when talking about their own species).
Specifically, you'll hears blacks and whites and Asians and Eskimos and Australian Aborigines and native Americans wanking about how they can't get along with each other, when in fact the big difference is between men and women, who get along just *fine* thank you very much.
If you take two groups from as opposite sides of the human spectra as you can get, which would be Eskimos and Australian Aborigine and have them meet each other for the first time, what happens is that the guys be buys and start sizing each other up to see what kind of weapons the other has got, and how much it looks like they can fight, while the women check out each others' fashion and style.
It means two guys from two totally different races speaking completely different languages from utterly different cultures, one based on survival in hot-and-dry and the other based on survival in cold-and-wet, have more common on a mental-psychological level than they do with their own women, and the women from the two totally different bands have more in common with each other on a mental-psychological level than they do with their own men...
So what it means is that if there's *any* division between which one might expect problems, it should be between men and women, yet in fact, as different as they are, men and women not only get along, bloody hell they *love* each other!
Which means, my sympathy for people who hate each other for differences much *less* than the differences between men and women is less than zero... it means I think they're incomprehensibly idiotic and thoroughly undereducated semi-neanderthal nincompoops.
The reason is from what I know about brain structure as a function of sex in humans combined with what I know about the operation of how polymorphic genes work to create breeds in animals (what humans call "race" when talking about their own species).
Specifically, you'll hears blacks and whites and Asians and Eskimos and Australian Aborigines and native Americans wanking about how they can't get along with each other, when in fact the big difference is between men and women, who get along just *fine* thank you very much.
If you take two groups from as opposite sides of the human spectra as you can get, which would be Eskimos and Australian Aborigine and have them meet each other for the first time, what happens is that the guys be buys and start sizing each other up to see what kind of weapons the other has got, and how much it looks like they can fight, while the women check out each others' fashion and style.
It means two guys from two totally different races speaking completely different languages from utterly different cultures, one based on survival in hot-and-dry and the other based on survival in cold-and-wet, have more common on a mental-psychological level than they do with their own women, and the women from the two totally different bands have more in common with each other on a mental-psychological level than they do with their own men...
So what it means is that if there's *any* division between which one might expect problems, it should be between men and women, yet in fact, as different as they are, men and women not only get along, bloody hell they *love* each other!
Which means, my sympathy for people who hate each other for differences much *less* than the differences between men and women is less than zero... it means I think they're incomprehensibly idiotic and thoroughly undereducated semi-neanderthal nincompoops.
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October 31, 2009 08:47 AM
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From a scientific point of view racism is completely unsupported, however sexism in some form is.
( don't get huffy, its equal but different )
So, how does that help me answer the question?
Racism is 'weird' but sexism has some basis in reality... therefore I feel worse about racism.
Sexism is social and political and scientific. Racism is social and political.
We all discriminate. It's an OK thing to do. It's the modern-day connotations to this word that affect you and everyone else.
Being 'discriminatory' is a good thing - we can recognize right from wrong, best from better, friend from foe. But doing so on an arbitrary characteristic is morally wrong and I avoid that like the plague.
I DO understand the differences between men and women - they exist, we shouldn't hurt someone because of it but we need to see it for a real difference and use it to our advantage!
PS -you ask great questions :D !
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( don't get huffy, its equal but different )
So, how does that help me answer the question?
Racism is 'weird' but sexism has some basis in reality... therefore I feel worse about racism.
Sexism is social and political and scientific. Racism is social and political.
We all discriminate. It's an OK thing to do. It's the modern-day connotations to this word that affect you and everyone else.
Being 'discriminatory' is a good thing - we can recognize right from wrong, best from better, friend from foe. But doing so on an arbitrary characteristic is morally wrong and I avoid that like the plague.
I DO understand the differences between men and women - they exist, we shouldn't hurt someone because of it but we need to see it for a real difference and use it to our advantage!
PS -you ask great questions :D !
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October 31, 2009 07:33 PM
What exactly do you mean by scientific differences between the sexes? The obvious anatomical and genetic ones? There are 'scientific' differences between races, as well...
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November 01, 2009 12:27 AM
If all I say is hormones its enough to cover the scientific differences between the sexes. That being said, there are differences in brain chemistry. In the following link they explain some of those differences ... here is a quote from the article “These variations occur throughout the brain, in regions involved in language, memory, emotion, vision, hearing and navigation,” explains Larry Cahill, Ph.D., an associate professor in the Department of Neurobiology and Behavior at the University of California, Irvine." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229171609.htm
Now, I think these are far more significant that any racial differences, therefore that's my answer, I don't understand racism on a scientific level.
What differences in races were you referring to?
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Now, I think these are far more significant that any racial differences, therefore that's my answer, I don't understand racism on a scientific level.
What differences in races were you referring to?
October 31, 2009 12:20 PM
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No, I really don't. Bigotry is bigotry, no matter what the form.
Sexism is not more acceptable than racism just because of the well-established biological differences between the sexes. What it may do is provide a different set of baselines for men and women, which means we would have to be more careful how we're defining bigotry in this case. For example, it may be reasonable, in general, to expect women and men to compete at different levels athletically (for proof of this, nearly all sports are gender segregated), but that doesn't mean that sports are naturally bigoted.
Bigotry requires discrimination against a person or group or persons regardless of the objective facts of the situation.
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Sexism is not more acceptable than racism just because of the well-established biological differences between the sexes. What it may do is provide a different set of baselines for men and women, which means we would have to be more careful how we're defining bigotry in this case. For example, it may be reasonable, in general, to expect women and men to compete at different levels athletically (for proof of this, nearly all sports are gender segregated), but that doesn't mean that sports are naturally bigoted.
Bigotry requires discrimination against a person or group or persons regardless of the objective facts of the situation.
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October 31, 2009 07:08 PM
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As a women who grew up with sexism all my life, I hate it, but racism gets my dander up much more easily. I grew up in the 50's and 60's in the south, and it left scars on me, seeing lynchings and racial abuse on t.v. and having a friend whose grandfather was a higher up in the KKK. I seriously despise racists. It's the one thing I will lash out uncontrollably against. That's why having Obama as President, and seeing all the veiled racist rhetoric from the far right is driving me crazy. I learned long ago to recognize racism, even when people try to hide it.
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October 31, 2009 07:34 PM
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I am a relatively Caucasian female, but racism bothers me much more than sexism ever has. I have been fortunate to not experience much sexism throughout my life, but I have encountered a lot of racism directed at others that has made it a hot issue for me. I think the unfair treatment of anyone for a characteristic out of their control, like race or sex, is horrible, but the stakes are just higher with racism. I've never heard of anyone being hanged due to sexism.
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November 02, 2009 12:42 PM
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The type of bigotry, either racism or sexism, that offends me most, is whichever seems to be given the green light at the moment, by people in positions of authority. When ministers who should be teaching unity and love begin shouting divisive statements about "black" this or "white " that", I find it extremely offensive.
I suppose the worst type of offender is the person in authority who goads his followers to feel good about expressing both their own racism and sexism, as "reverend wright" did in his infamous attacks on Bill and Hillary Clinton, while his congregation danced gleefully in the aisles. This type of blatant and vicious bigotry had to be opposed at the highest level, and our President did the only thing he could by repudiating the "Reverend".
If we allow our leaders to publicly get away with that sort of attack, we have no hope of ever winning the battle against this sort of ugliness.
The natural thing here would be for me to post ugly Reverend video, but it is simply too distasteful. Instead, I prefer to post a positive message from a real Reverend who promoted unity and not racial hatred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZLvSnr6s50
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I suppose the worst type of offender is the person in authority who goads his followers to feel good about expressing both their own racism and sexism, as "reverend wright" did in his infamous attacks on Bill and Hillary Clinton, while his congregation danced gleefully in the aisles. This type of blatant and vicious bigotry had to be opposed at the highest level, and our President did the only thing he could by repudiating the "Reverend".
If we allow our leaders to publicly get away with that sort of attack, we have no hope of ever winning the battle against this sort of ugliness.
The natural thing here would be for me to post ugly Reverend video, but it is simply too distasteful. Instead, I prefer to post a positive message from a real Reverend who promoted unity and not racial hatred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZLvSnr6s50
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