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How can I convince my wife to move?

We live in a house in a crowded subdivision (I can see over 20 houses from my back porch). I want to move to the country, but she likes it here. Our children are gone and we are nearing retirement age. I need every strategy you can think of, as this will be a hard sell. There's got to be a way, I refuse to give up. She would also like to spend February in Florida, at least once or twice while we can still afford it, since her arthritis is beginning to be more of a pain up here in Lake Michigan's lake effect zone (I may be able to bargain with a Florida trip?) I know you guys can help me.
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Marked as Best! November 17, 2009 01:07 PM
I hope your housing market has picked up there, or it's going to be an even harder sale.

However, if the market has improved, and the sale of your home is a viable option, then, you can research housing prices out in the country (exactly where it is that you are wishing to move). I believe someone else already mentioned Google Maps, but it is a wonderful way to view the homes for sale in virtual reality from your own home. I found that when we researched homes 100 miles away from the center of the city we live in, that the size of the home either doubled for the same price, or we could find a house the same size for half the value of our present home. Our house notes would be cut in half if we just commuted to and from work or just moved work completely. If she is economically inclined, then that would be the way to work the "move" angle. I am not sure what motivates your wife to wanting to stay and suffer arthritic pain, but try to find out what is motivating her desire to remain. If it's because she hates change, then gradually introduce small apartment/realty guides for the area you are researching, and leave them on end tables, coffee tables, etc. If she throws them away, get new ones or pull them back out. LOL Find a center point such as a friend who lives out in that area that you want to move to. Base all of your efforts to encourage her to move using her needs, desires, and resiliency for change. If she is a slow mover, give her time to acclimate each gentle nudge you give her. Eventually, she will begin to believe that change is good for her arthritis if you move slowly with her.
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November 17, 2009 02:16 PM
You may be onto someting good. If we take a trip south from Michigan to where her winter arthritis is less painful, she may be willing to move south to a country home permanently! I kept thinking of a country home here in Michigan, but perhaps a country home in a warmer dryer climate is the answer. Hmmmm.
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November 17, 2009 03:33 PM
Well, I can say from experience that arthritis hurts no matter what the climate, but I live in a relatively good climate zone on the east coast. I have seen snow here 3 or 4 times in the past 17 years, and it usually melts before kids can enjoy it for more than 2 or 3 days. I like not having to worry about chains for car tires, or the heater going out and us freezing to death in our jammies. I don't know that a dryer climate helps, but exercise does help, and if it's warmer and dry outdoors it's always easier to exercise for me because I prefer to walk outdoors.
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November 17, 2009 11:52 AM
My husband is actually trying to convince me to move, except into the city for job purposes not out.

The most affective technique he or you can imply is logic. Be straight forward and express why you think it is better for the two of you to leave the city, express your feelings on the subject as well.

Usually good reason coupled with true desire will change any woman who loves a man's mind. :) No tricks about it.
What matters to the man I love, matters to me. Throwing in a Florida trip wouldn't hurt though, good way to show you care about her wants too.
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November 17, 2009 11:56 AM
I shall offer you a few strategies to try convincing your wife to move to the country side. One of them is Fear. You might have to tell her how the city life might be harmful for better living. you could prepare your case by reading these articles:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/01/04/how_the_city_hurts_your_brain/

http://www.typeamom.net/benefits-to-living-in-the-country.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/025260_health_greenery_health_benefits.html

The second strategy would be Celebrity endorsement. You might want to get her read about celebs opting for countryside living.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dorset/content/articles/2004/10/13/celebrities_feature.shtml

The third strategy is Enticement. Show her nice images of fantastic country homes and the surroundings. You can find them on Google images.

Some other tips that I could offer are to get her to experience and make her fall in love with the nature, openspace and countrylife. You can tell her how you can make it comfortable for her in the country. And the most important thing is to show her how much you love her and why you think it's best for the both of you to move there. All the best!
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November 17, 2009 06:03 PM
Why does she not want to move?

Normally, the two best options are to be in the county, where you've got the benefits of a more pleasant environment but you need a vehicle, or, if you're in a city, then in one of those down-townish European types neighborhoods where it's mostly apartments and where within a short walking distance is everything you need from coffee shops to bistros to theaters to grocery stores to clothing and hardware shops and banking and gallery's and museums etc. Smalls town used to offer something like that, but since Wal-Mart gutted that character of small towns, it's only possible to find

But to be in a suburban/subdivision type place where all you are is surrounded by other houses and you still need a vehicle to go out and do anything... I can totally see your point. What is the draw of the place for her?

Now, it used to be that in the US, you could get all the benefits of European style neighborhoods in small American towns, but since Wal-Mart gutted the character of all those little communities and brought the suburban need for a vehicle to small-town USA, that basically left only the city neighborhoods where all services are in walking distance, but in US cities, neighborhoods like that are much, much harder to find than in Europe or Canada or Mexico, which means, if you want to have any sort of lifestyle, then moving into the country is probably your only option, but if she's starting to have an issue with arthritis, her best option might be to move into a self-contained neighborhood where everything is accessible from an electric scooter...

... Which is totally the opposite direction from where you want to go, which is the country.

Hmm... is it because she has a neighborhood bridge-club, or something like that?

Sorry if these sound like silly questions, it's just that I can't think of any place worse to live than a suburban subdivision, where the only possible justification is if you've got a houseful of kids and you want to make lawn-mowing and leaf-raking the sum total of their outdoor experience, but you say the kids are gone now.

If it was me, I'd want the country, where I could get into growing bigger, better gardens, and raising chickens and I'd dig out a pond and raise trout and grow herbs and all that stuff, which is great to do just for the sake of it, but which is going to become systematically more and more valuable as the nation settles into it's newly restructured form.

Everyone is starting to see how it makes better health sense to eat locally produced food, and if you can get a bit of exercise in the process, then all the better, and now you're going to be seeing in droves more and more people wanting to move to the country where they can at least grow enough to feed themselves after their methods of employment were permanently mangled by this latest round of economic restructuring as the US completes the final stages of this round of having been used as the economic feeding trough for integration of places like China and India into The New World Order Economy (The New WOE), so if you want to move to the country you'll have to move fast, because there's going to be an increased demand for small plots of land that people can at least grow a subsistence diet on...

Yet... if she's getting arthritis, I can see how being in a city neighborhood where everything's accessible via an electric scooter would be better...

(BTW, arthritis runs in my family, and climate has *nothing* to do with how it's going to affect you. I had an uncle who was living in a warm climate in California but he was close to sea level, and he moved to Wyoming with the harshest climate in the continental USA but at an altitude of 5,000 ft because of his arthritis, so it can be affected by air pressure...)

In any case... presuming she (and you) do not want the option of an inner-city neighborhood where everything's accessible by walking or on an electric scooter, that leaves the suburban subdivisions where you're living pressed in by strangers and you still need a car, or living in the country, where the strangers are far enough away that you don't have to know they're there, you'll still need a car, but now you can grow things... so it's a no-brainer... you should move to the country, and grow food to keep your retirement budget under control, and sell the surplus in local farmer's markets because people are getting way smarter about eating locally produced stuff, so ...

Hmm... well ... I've lived in the country, in order to raise horses, but where there ended up being a lot of food production on the side which I learned to love doing, and so the car was essential like a car is essential in a suburban subdivision, which is where I'd moved from, and what I found out was that in fact I was still in a suburb, only the yards were just much bigger...

And, what I discovered was that there was in fact a whole extended community on the scale of anything you'd find in a suburban subdivision... all connected by telephones like there were in the suburbs, and with all their bridge clubs and football nights and stuff like in the suburbs, only instead of driving through traffic-light controlled streets to get wherever, I was now driving longer gravel roads at higher speeds.

For example, there was a woman five miles away who set up her kitchen as a hair salon on weekends, and it was faster to drive the five miles strait down that gravel road to get my hair cut than it has been to drive to a barber's when I was living in the suburbs.

In that large kitchen would be lots of women with their heads in hair dryers, reading magazines and gossiping, and it was *no* different from a hair salon that someone would have to drive to if living in the suburbs, except the women all knew each other better.

Likewise, there was a bridge club, made of people from a radius of about 10 miles, and there was a Monday-night football club, where there was less stress about leaving a bit drunk because we'd just stick to the country roads, and there was a science club, where real experiments with rockets could be done, and of course there was church, and bloody hell... I knew my neighbors in every direction for ten miles.
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November 17, 2009 06:01 PM
The key was to afford the expense of having a handy vehicle, which you have to have in an American subdivision anyway, but the driving was *easier*, and there was a lot more social activity, and there was more to do, so to me, the only two options are either an inner-city neighborhood where you can save a ton by not having a vehicle because everything's within walking distance and you can use public transit if you need to go more than five blocks, and where you can be as anonymous as you want, or the country, where you will know everyone around you and there's more to do because you have land, and where the driving is easier, and where you're more likely to know your neighbors, but in no case do I see living in a subdivision as anything appealing at all.

So, I'm just curious why she'd she'd want to stay in the subdivision, unless she's just very friendly with the people on her block and they spend a lot of time talking to each other over the fence.... *unless*... she's anti-social and doesn't want the community that comes with living in the country, and she thinks that living with the convenience of an inner-city neighborhood requires lots of socialization, which (perhaps ironically) it does *not*... those convenient inner-city neighborhoods are *great* places to loose yourself with anonymity if that's what you want.

I don't know what else to say without knowing more about why she'd want to stay, other than perhaps she doesn't realize that the time spent driving when in the country is actually less, and it's easier, than the driving required in a subdivision, and with that comes all the same social interactions of clubs and societies that happen in a subdivision-plus-car, so maybe she just doesn't know about that aspect of living in the country.

(Sorry if it sounds odd me going on about the car - in the US, where the cities are so based on subdivisions, it might seem incomprehensible to think of life without one - but in my travels I've lived in places where the cities were designed so that everything was combined with residences and commercial shops being mixed together in neighborhood districts so that no vehicle was required, and it was just so darned convenient that I ended up giving up my car and using public transit if necessary, and then just renting a car if I needed to do a long trip, and I saved a fortune, and it was depressing as all get out when relocation required moving back to a subdivision. Sure, now I had a yard, which I didn't have in the city, but I couldn't really do anything with it other than plant a lawn, but now driving the obligatory vehicle really did start feeling like being in one of those long lines like the Jetsons, such that I wished we'd gone all the way out to the country.)

My advise is to try and explain that in the country the driving is easier, it takes no more time to get from one place to another, and in fact, most of the time it will be faster to get from point A to point B, and it's at least as sociable as living in a suburb and probably more so, and you'll have some better financial security at least in terms of food production if you've got some space to grow your own food.
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