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How fast can one drive over the speed limit before it becomes an issue of right and wrong?
Is a few miles or kilometers over okay as long as it's accidental? 10mph over on purpose? 30mph over on purpose? Is it right until you get a ticket? Does it depend on the type of vehicle being driven? The time of day or night?
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October 02, 2009 04:03 AM
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A few miles either way is easily the difference in vehicles, radars, speedometers, etc., but much more than that, and you're simply flat-out breaking the law. It's always 'wrong'. Do many people do it? Yes, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.
Typically speaking, the law makers choose the speed based on a set of conditions, and not on arbitrary things. For example, road conditions, safety, traffic amount, business or residential zones, school zones, surrounding, etc, all get included in what the safe operating speed of a vehicle is on that road.
Here in Texas, we have some highways with 80MPH speed limits on them (we share the fastest speed limits in the country with Utah). But these speed limits are on two major interstate highways, and our roads here in Texas are awesomely kept up. I drove through New Mexico and Arizona a few years back and was shocked at how bad the highways there were compared to Texas. The speed limits are that high because it's safe in those areas of long stretches with no towns nearby to drive at that speed in a passenger vehicle. Trucks (the big ones) are held to a lower speed.
So the better the road, the better the condition, and the farther away from dangerous things--both for driver and for people outside of the vehicle--speed limits are set for safety and to violate that is to put your life or someone else's in danger.
As such, I can only conclude that anything more than a few miles over is just wrong.
Typically speaking, the law makers choose the speed based on a set of conditions, and not on arbitrary things. For example, road conditions, safety, traffic amount, business or residential zones, school zones, surrounding, etc, all get included in what the safe operating speed of a vehicle is on that road.
Here in Texas, we have some highways with 80MPH speed limits on them (we share the fastest speed limits in the country with Utah). But these speed limits are on two major interstate highways, and our roads here in Texas are awesomely kept up. I drove through New Mexico and Arizona a few years back and was shocked at how bad the highways there were compared to Texas. The speed limits are that high because it's safe in those areas of long stretches with no towns nearby to drive at that speed in a passenger vehicle. Trucks (the big ones) are held to a lower speed.
So the better the road, the better the condition, and the farther away from dangerous things--both for driver and for people outside of the vehicle--speed limits are set for safety and to violate that is to put your life or someone else's in danger.
As such, I can only conclude that anything more than a few miles over is just wrong.
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October 02, 2009 01:26 AM
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When someone will be killed in the event of a collision, it becomes a matter of right and wrong. Also, each state has laws about reckless endangerment, which will mean an immediate license suspension or revocation.
It also depends on your definition of "wrong," right? Go over the speed limit more than 7 mph and you are putting yourself at risk of being pulled over. Going over the speed limit isn't what causes accidents, it is all that dodging and weaving people do on the highway. That's just wrong.
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It also depends on your definition of "wrong," right? Go over the speed limit more than 7 mph and you are putting yourself at risk of being pulled over. Going over the speed limit isn't what causes accidents, it is all that dodging and weaving people do on the highway. That's just wrong.
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October 02, 2009 01:57 AM
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Usually, you can go 5 miles over the speed limit and it's not illegal. Once you go over by those 5 miles you enter into the "right or wrong" dilemma. Remember it's your life and other's that you are endangering. You won't get a ticket if you're just over 5 miles. Drive safely! :D
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October 02, 2009 02:38 AM
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It is illegal to go over the speed limit even 1 mile per hour. The limit is the limit. However, you will not usually get a ticket unless you are doing at least five miles over the speed limit. Sometimes even going the speed limit can be illegal. You can get charged with reckless driving or driving to endanger if you driving the speed limit in hazardous conditions.
However, you asked if it were "right" or "wrong" to go over the speed limit. Right or wrong are judgment calls made by an individual. If I am transporting a dying friend to the hospital, I would consider it right to break the speed limit. If I were a volunteer fireman and driving to a fire, I would consider it right to speed. However, for me, it is wrong to speed for the joy of it. When we put other people at danger for no good reason, that is just plain wrong in my book. So when it comes to right or wrong the individual has to determine this by themselves.
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However, you asked if it were "right" or "wrong" to go over the speed limit. Right or wrong are judgment calls made by an individual. If I am transporting a dying friend to the hospital, I would consider it right to break the speed limit. If I were a volunteer fireman and driving to a fire, I would consider it right to speed. However, for me, it is wrong to speed for the joy of it. When we put other people at danger for no good reason, that is just plain wrong in my book. So when it comes to right or wrong the individual has to determine this by themselves.
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October 02, 2009 04:55 PM
As @twinpairs says - I take it on a case by case need.
I do draw the line when someone is going in excess of 30 mph over the designated speed limit.
I really don't see why someone would need to go so fast as to endanger themselves (unless they're not in their right mind and running from the law...)
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html
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I do draw the line when someone is going in excess of 30 mph over the designated speed limit.
I really don't see why someone would need to go so fast as to endanger themselves (unless they're not in their right mind and running from the law...)
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html
October 02, 2009 08:12 AM
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Legally if you're over you're over... there may be a couple of MPH leeway in the case of enforcement (due to accuracy of measurement, speedo etc. But you really shouldn't rely on that.
Ethically? well the speed limits are there for a reason. A crash at 70MPH is going to be a much bigger one than 50MPH... And in a school zone the difference between hitting a child at 20MPH and hitting her at 30MPH is probably a fatal one.
Its also worth noting that speed limits are not the required speed for that road. They are the maximum permitted speed. If its not safe to drive at 55, due to traffic, weather, road conditions, visibility then you should slow down
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Ethically? well the speed limits are there for a reason. A crash at 70MPH is going to be a much bigger one than 50MPH... And in a school zone the difference between hitting a child at 20MPH and hitting her at 30MPH is probably a fatal one.
Its also worth noting that speed limits are not the required speed for that road. They are the maximum permitted speed. If its not safe to drive at 55, due to traffic, weather, road conditions, visibility then you should slow down
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October 06, 2009 07:06 PM
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If you're talking of dopler radar guns
Page three
http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/87.pdf
Two percent is the tolerance level. Meaning 51 in a 50 zone is disputable in court.
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Page three
http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/87.pdf
Two percent is the tolerance level. Meaning 51 in a 50 zone is disputable in court.
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