Answered Conundrum Next Conundrum

What's wrong with bonuses when Wall Street is booming?

When my retirement investments lost half their value in 2008, I was upset that the people who managed my shrinking funds were getting huge bonuses. Since March, my funds are doing tremendously well and I have no problem seeing my fund managers getting bonuses for doing a good job. Bonuses had little to do with the market losses in 2008, and withholding them is unlikely to stop another downturn. What would be a good reason to not give 2009 bonuses to folks who have done a good job in 2009?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/business/31norris.html?_r=1
Interesting Question? Yes (0) No (0)
RSS

Best Answer Chosen by Asker

Marked as Best! October 21, 2009 06:10 PM
The way I see it there is no good reason not to issue out bonuses. It is true that many managed funds were extremely over leveraged, but so were some of the firms own prop desks. In those cases some of the same vilified fund managers and their bosses also lost obscene amounts of money.

I believe that the investor should be responsible for some due diligence as to where they invest their money. Some funds actually require a percentage of investment in the managed fund from those whom have made partner in the firm, to ensure that their own interests are invested in the performance of the fund. For those people a loss for you is a loss for them.

As far as lower level fund managers and analysts, for many their official salary is but a fraction of their compensation, with bonuses making up the rest. If a fund had positive performance and cleared specific benchmarks in performance of course they should get their bonus. If one lets a wave of "let's get the rich" mentality to set in, even when they performed well, you will see a bleeding out of financial talent from U.S. institutions to foreign ones, and then don't be surprised if the performance of your fund suffers over the long run, even in the good times.

The guidelines for bonuses are established beforehand they aren't made up as they go along. If you're an investor that feel uneasy about bonuses, do the due diligence before you invest on how they structure their bonuses. If you don;t like what you see, don't invest in it. If they meet their performance goals there is no reason to deny them a bonus. Only lack of performance should determine that, not public perception or political pressures.
Asker's Rating:
Helpful Answer? (0)   (0)
Permalink | Report
Reply

Other Answers (3)
Sort By

October 21, 2009 09:36 PM
I don't think there is any problem with giving them their bonuses. The fact is that the financial landscape is really competitive, and those who aren't compensated as well as they want to be will either go somewhere else, or start up their own firms and create more competition for the major companies. Imagine how much bailout money the big firms would need if all their talented staff left, created startups, and began clobbering them daily!
Helpful Answer? (0)   (0)
Permalink | Report
Reply
October 22, 2009 10:14 PM
These people should not get bonuses. They get paid very well, and in this economy where a lot of people are out of work they really don't need it. My Aunt is a nurse, she has been a nurse for 20 years, and she works 50 hours a week, and never gets any bonuses. She use to get a Christmas bonus, but they took that away. She is the head nurse on the staff, and she does a terrific job, and she actually made $5,000 less than what she made last year. I am in favor if someone really excel's in there job to give them a small Christmas bonus, but with Wall Street it would probably be a very ridiculous bonus.
Helpful Answer? (0)   (0)
Permalink | Report
Reply
October 23, 2009 04:32 AM
The problem with say giving a worker a million dollars if the company makes a hundred million dollars is that the company will not take away a million dollars away from the worker if the company loses one hundred million dollars.

If a worker's pay is based solely upon how well the company does in the good years then all the company is doing is encouraging its workers to have the company engaged in over leveraged risky investments. (which is exactly what got us in this financial mess in the first place.)

Perhaps their bonuses should instead be based on their performance from 2007 to 2009. (in which case almost all fund managers would receive nothing.)
Helpful Answer? (1)   (0)
Permalink | Report
Reply

Answer this Question


View All General Questions

Ask a Conundrum


140 characters left

Categories

Large Glass of Conundrum Wine

Welcome to ConundrumLand

Please enter your zip code.