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Do you believe studies concerning negative effects of Marijuana?
The London Times published an article to day listing a number of negative effects for smoking marijuana. How strong a case does this make against commonly held beliefs that Marijuana is safe and should be legal?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6900001.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2270657
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November 03, 2009 08:20 PM
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There is no question that marijuana impairs those that use it. I've tried it and I hate the way it made me feel. The last time I did it (I've only used 3 times and each experience was different, but that last time was the worst), I couldn't make out anything in real time. I was totally impaired and scared when I realized just how badly I was impaired. I think it might have been laced with something else, but nonetheless it was a terrifying experience and I refuse to ever do it again. I do think that marijuana has both good and bad qualities to it. I've researched its health benefits as well as its health risks. This study is just one of many scare stories out there arguing against the legalization of marijuana and was most likely composed and published by a company whose reputation depends on how they spin their stories. If this publisher were to spin a balanced story arguing both sides of the marijuana debate, they'd likely lose sponsors. So, they found a study with age old arguments against the drug and drove up readership by publishing a controversial story/topic.
In the end, I do believe the studies that argue both sides of the good and bad effects of marijuana because I know for a fact that the drug is actually good and bad. If used properly and responsibly, it has health benefits. If misused or over-used, it's harmful. What I don't buy into is the hype the media spins around it. Frankly, I'm not sure if legalizing it would help people be responsible with it. Take alcohol, for example; it's not all bad when consumed responsibly. But everyone who drinks, misuses it at some point in time. The only difference is that the government benefits from the taxes that are on alcoholic beverages.
In the end, I do believe the studies that argue both sides of the good and bad effects of marijuana because I know for a fact that the drug is actually good and bad. If used properly and responsibly, it has health benefits. If misused or over-used, it's harmful. What I don't buy into is the hype the media spins around it. Frankly, I'm not sure if legalizing it would help people be responsible with it. Take alcohol, for example; it's not all bad when consumed responsibly. But everyone who drinks, misuses it at some point in time. The only difference is that the government benefits from the taxes that are on alcoholic beverages.
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November 03, 2009 02:45 PM
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My personal opinion is that it is a lot less harmful and self-destructive than other recreational drugs, including alcohol. I agree it should be decriminalized, because our courts and jails are overflowing with small-time users who are otherwise law-abiding citizens.
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November 03, 2009 02:59 PM
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I strongly disagree with the Times article that you quote; it can only be understood in the context of the current political row in Britain. The Times does not really make any case against marijuana but rather says studies show it might be harmful and claims there is no benefit to compensate for possible harm. It also repeats the old saw about it staying in the body longer and worries about stronger new (more than 10 years old actually) forms being more dangerous but neither of these things proves harm in themselves.
But to return to the article and its context, the current British government has just fired its leading expert and adviser on drugs, Professor David Nutt, because it didn't like his advice. He and the others on the British expert panel, some of whom have resigned in protest, had the gall to conclude that while Cannabis may be somewhat harmful, it was a heck of a lot less harmful than tobacco or alcohol. In fact, they did a thorough survey of illegal and legal drugs and published a paper listing them in order of harmfulness. They apparently advised the government to bring its classification system into line with the scientific evidence. The order on the list was not politically correct and the Professor was fired.
There is a lot of interesting discussion of all this in the British news, I was considering forming questions about it myself.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list
is the Professor's list. Elsewhere he suggests that the drugs above alcohol should be class A, and the ones below tobacco class C.
This article in the Guardian draws parallels with Galileo and the Popes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/03/scientists-politicians-disagree
I agree fully with David Nutt. Stuff that can and does frequently kill people should be considered more harmful than stuff which doesn't. And stuff that has been proven harmful should be considered more harmful than stuff that might be harmful but years and years of research has been unable to convincingly demonstrate.
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But to return to the article and its context, the current British government has just fired its leading expert and adviser on drugs, Professor David Nutt, because it didn't like his advice. He and the others on the British expert panel, some of whom have resigned in protest, had the gall to conclude that while Cannabis may be somewhat harmful, it was a heck of a lot less harmful than tobacco or alcohol. In fact, they did a thorough survey of illegal and legal drugs and published a paper listing them in order of harmfulness. They apparently advised the government to bring its classification system into line with the scientific evidence. The order on the list was not politically correct and the Professor was fired.
There is a lot of interesting discussion of all this in the British news, I was considering forming questions about it myself.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list
is the Professor's list. Elsewhere he suggests that the drugs above alcohol should be class A, and the ones below tobacco class C.
This article in the Guardian draws parallels with Galileo and the Popes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/03/scientists-politicians-disagree
I agree fully with David Nutt. Stuff that can and does frequently kill people should be considered more harmful than stuff which doesn't. And stuff that has been proven harmful should be considered more harmful than stuff that might be harmful but years and years of research has been unable to convincingly demonstrate.
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November 03, 2009 10:14 PM
Agreed (stupid anonymous Conundrum voting :s)
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November 03, 2009 03:51 PM
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"Rather than arguing whether cannabis should be a Class B or C drug, politicians would be better to support a big educational campaign on the properties and constituents of different types of cannabis and the risks associated with heavy use."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6900001.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2270657
I think this about sums it up quite nicely. Few would argue that pot is totally without risk. People just need to be aware that there are risks particularly with heavy use.
As mentioned in the quote above, I am not sure this has much of an impact on if it should be legal. It simply means that people should be aware there is no risk free drug.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6900001.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2270657
I think this about sums it up quite nicely. Few would argue that pot is totally without risk. People just need to be aware that there are risks particularly with heavy use.
As mentioned in the quote above, I am not sure this has much of an impact on if it should be legal. It simply means that people should be aware there is no risk free drug.
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November 03, 2009 04:29 PM
The class of drug affects its legal status. Sort of like the difference between misdemeanor and felony. A wrong classification can wreck many more lives than the drug itself.
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November 03, 2009 06:39 PM
Interesting, I did not know that the difference between B & C was so stark! Yet if this is the case the above statement still holds true. If there is talk of changing the current designation. The health risks need to be common knowledge before deciding . . . even if the ultimate decision is to reduce restrictions.
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November 03, 2009 06:51 PM
Here's their chart
Penalties for possession and dealing
Possession: Dealing:
Class A Ecstasy, LSD, heroin, cocaine, crack, magic mushrooms, amphetamines (if prepared for injection). Up to seven years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to life in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
Class B Amphetamines, Cannabis, Methylphenidate (Ritalin), Pholcodine. Up to five years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to 14 years in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
Class C Tranquilisers, some painkillers, Gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Ketamine. Up to two years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to 14 years in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
The problem is that which drug is in which class is not determined by health risks as determined by experts. They are placed according to politics and media sensationalizing over the last several decades. Whatever the decision about restrictions or punishments on each class, fitting the drugs into the classes should be done by medical and science experts not politicians or media.
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Penalties for possession and dealing
Possession: Dealing:
Class A Ecstasy, LSD, heroin, cocaine, crack, magic mushrooms, amphetamines (if prepared for injection). Up to seven years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to life in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
Class B Amphetamines, Cannabis, Methylphenidate (Ritalin), Pholcodine. Up to five years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to 14 years in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
Class C Tranquilisers, some painkillers, Gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Ketamine. Up to two years in prison or an unlimited fine or both. Up to 14 years in prison or an unlimited fine or both.
The problem is that which drug is in which class is not determined by health risks as determined by experts. They are placed according to politics and media sensationalizing over the last several decades. Whatever the decision about restrictions or punishments on each class, fitting the drugs into the classes should be done by medical and science experts not politicians or media.
November 03, 2009 04:22 PM
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i confess I did not read that particular study, but no I do not believe most studies on anything medical. I think most of those studies have been paid for by companies and there fore the ones who do the studies tend to state what ever the company paying them wants to be said.
I dislike studies, which can be seriously flawed, and tend to rely on other people's first hand experience to judge things.
For years we have seen those people who smoke pot around us, sometimes (depends on how much they smoke) they are healthier then others. I know they say pot is good for the side effects from radiation with cancer treatments. Too much pot is bad if if makes you crazy and do stupid things, but if it helps you calm a tummy down after radiation or eases arthritis pain better then harmful side effects we get from medications I am all for it.
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I dislike studies, which can be seriously flawed, and tend to rely on other people's first hand experience to judge things.
For years we have seen those people who smoke pot around us, sometimes (depends on how much they smoke) they are healthier then others. I know they say pot is good for the side effects from radiation with cancer treatments. Too much pot is bad if if makes you crazy and do stupid things, but if it helps you calm a tummy down after radiation or eases arthritis pain better then harmful side effects we get from medications I am all for it.
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lilylorett...
I have NEVER come across a joint that's "laced" with anything, unless I put that "something else" in there myself.
Trust me, pot smokers aren't interested in putting anything else in our joints (majoritively), especially not when the joint is getting passed around and we're not getting the whole thing to ourselves!
The idea of smokers lacing joints with other substances and then passing them around to unsuspecting, inexperienced smokers is a media-induced fear-mongering ploy to scare people into not smoking weed, because it's not a substance our government is taxing as of yet...
Other than that, I agree with most of what you've said ;)
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